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	<title>Comments on: The state of the Pakistani Economy – part ii</title>
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		<title>By: Ejaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ejaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right on the money regarding investing in productive assets (stocks, bonds, real estate etc). My Mom bought her house in Karachi a few months before the debacle in1971and everyone thought she was nuts. Thanks to that house my siblings and I had a roof over our heads and thanks to that house (and her subsequent investments) my Mom still lives independantly and can stand financially on her own. I know that being a US citizen who has no stake in Pakistan I can afford to be somewhat blase about this, but odds are that things in Pakistan will eventually stabilize, the only fallback you need is for you and your family to have visas to leave in case things really get out of hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right on the money regarding investing in productive assets (stocks, bonds, real estate etc). My Mom bought her house in Karachi a few months before the debacle in1971and everyone thought she was nuts. Thanks to that house my siblings and I had a roof over our heads and thanks to that house (and her subsequent investments) my Mom still lives independantly and can stand financially on her own. I know that being a US citizen who has no stake in Pakistan I can afford to be somewhat blase about this, but odds are that things in Pakistan will eventually stabilize, the only fallback you need is for you and your family to have visas to leave in case things really get out of hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Jawwad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jawwad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I paid 80,000 a month for 2 years renting a portion of a 400 square yard bunglow off Tariq Road. Total covered area was 3000 sqft. I am now paying about double the amount for 6000 sqft.  I have other peers who are paying some where between 200 - 250K a month for 6000 sqft. 

Rents on existing property have been stable and move in 5 year cycles. 5 years ago when I came back you could get good location commercial and residential properties (for office use) at 10 - 15 rupees per sqft. For new high profile projects it went all the way upto 100 -120 rupees per sqft but should come down now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I paid 80,000 a month for 2 years renting a portion of a 400 square yard bunglow off Tariq Road. Total covered area was 3000 sqft. I am now paying about double the amount for 6000 sqft.  I have other peers who are paying some where between 200 &#8211; 250K a month for 6000 sqft. </p>
<p>Rents on existing property have been stable and move in 5 year cycles. 5 years ago when I came back you could get good location commercial and residential properties (for office use) at 10 &#8211; 15 rupees per sqft. For new high profile projects it went all the way upto 100 -120 rupees per sqft but should come down now.</p>
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		<title>By: Obi Wan Kenobi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obi Wan Kenobi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your last quote but I know some people who sold their houses in US because they saw what was coming down to them. They all can re buy their old houses with 10-15% discount but right now they are waiting to find the bottom. I guess it needed courage to sell their primary house but then in US, buying house is not as hard as Pakistan so people could afford the risk even if they were proved wrong.

I guess the way housing has gone high in Karachi, the rental yields were never proportional to the property prices. I do not think [I could be wrong here] the people who were paying 10K as rent are paying 40K for rent in 2008 for same place. My assumption is that house prices have gone 300% up since 2002.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your last quote but I know some people who sold their houses in US because they saw what was coming down to them. They all can re buy their old houses with 10-15% discount but right now they are waiting to find the bottom. I guess it needed courage to sell their primary house but then in US, buying house is not as hard as Pakistan so people could afford the risk even if they were proved wrong.</p>
<p>I guess the way housing has gone high in Karachi, the rental yields were never proportional to the property prices. I do not think [I could be wrong here] the people who were paying 10K as rent are paying 40K for rent in 2008 for same place. My assumption is that house prices have gone 300% up since 2002.</p>
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		<title>By: Jawwad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jawwad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And btw, the dollar slid 4% in the kerb market against the rupee, post the presidential news yesterday and will slide another 3% - 4% today depending on how much panic there is in the kerb market.

Why it did this is another story for another post, but it goes to push the old trader lore &quot;Bulls make money, bears make money, pigs get slaugthered.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And btw, the dollar slid 4% in the kerb market against the rupee, post the presidential news yesterday and will slide another 3% &#8211; 4% today depending on how much panic there is in the kerb market.</p>
<p>Why it did this is another story for another post, but it goes to push the old trader lore &#8220;Bulls make money, bears make money, pigs get slaugthered.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jawwad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jawwad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Obi

You are on the money again. But there is one area where we differ - investment horizon.  

If I own real estate as an investment, then yes you are right. But if the office property I own is also being used as an office by my business, then I continue to received a rental yield against it. In real terms, value has gone down but the rental yield has gone up.  if I am based here in Pakistan and expect myself to be based here for the next five - twenty years, I see this as a blip. No pundit on the street gives the current government more than 2 years in office.  

As an outside investor, my outlook would be very different. My primary worry is capital loss and the opportunity cost of missing out on investing in assets in other economies where the risk return trade off is better. That leads to only one rational outcome - liquidation. 

 As a local resident and business owner my pimrary outlook is riding the current storm and surviving in better shape than the competition. In that outlook the only irrational outcome is liquidation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Obi</p>
<p>You are on the money again. But there is one area where we differ &#8211; investment horizon.  </p>
<p>If I own real estate as an investment, then yes you are right. But if the office property I own is also being used as an office by my business, then I continue to received a rental yield against it. In real terms, value has gone down but the rental yield has gone up.  if I am based here in Pakistan and expect myself to be based here for the next five &#8211; twenty years, I see this as a blip. No pundit on the street gives the current government more than 2 years in office.  </p>
<p>As an outside investor, my outlook would be very different. My primary worry is capital loss and the opportunity cost of missing out on investing in assets in other economies where the risk return trade off is better. That leads to only one rational outcome &#8211; liquidation. </p>
<p> As a local resident and business owner my pimrary outlook is riding the current storm and surviving in better shape than the competition. In that outlook the only irrational outcome is liquidation.</p>
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